The Overflow
*Does not include active players
Gilbert Arenas | Peja Stokajovic |
Dave Bing | Kiki Vandeweghe |
Maurice Cheeks | Carlos Boozer |
Anfernee Hardaway | Elton Brand |
Kevin Johnson | Horace Grant |
Kyle Lowry | Blake Griffin |
Terry Porter | Spencer Haywood |
Mark Price | Tom Heinsohn |
Rajon Rondo | Bobby Jones |
Kemba Walker | Shawn Kemp |
Lenny Wilkens | Jerry Lucas |
Deron Williams | Vern Mikkelsen |
Lou Williams | Dolph Schayes |
Walter Davis | Buck Williams |
Jeff Hornacek | Walt Bellamy |
Hal Greer | Marcus Camby |
Eddie Jones | Tyson Chandler |
Sam Jones | DeMarcus Cousins |
Pete Maravich | Brad Daugherty |
Earl Monroe | Marc Gasol |
Ricky Pierce | Serge Ibaka |
Bill Sharman | Dan Issel |
David Thompson | Neil Johnston |
Paul Westphal | DeAndre Jordan |
Billy Cunningham | Bob Lanier |
Grant Hill | Ed MaCauley |
Marques Johnson | Yao Ming |
Andre Kirilenko | Robert Parish |
Shawn Marion | Jack Sikma |
Cedric Maxwell | Nate Thurmond |
Glenn Rice | Rasheed Wallace |
Detlef Schrempf | Bill Walton |
Arvydas Sabonis? Toni Kukoč? Robert Horry? Don’t they deserve to be here? Two of the best European players of their time, and a seven time champion with great performances in crucial games. Let me know if they could fit in.
Those are great names! I’ll start with Robert Horry because I think he’s in a different category. There’s no question that Big Shot Rob was a consummate role player who hit several big shots over the course of his career. However, if we ignore for a minute that he played for 7 championship teams, we wouldn’t be talking about him as a top-200 player, let alone a top-100 player. So, no question he had some pretty big moments, but he averaged 7 points and 4 rebounds over his career.
Kukoc is much more relevant to the honorable mention discussion. He had a nice career and had he started in the NBA at age 21 or 22 and played for a team other than the Bulls, he may have developed into a superstar. What happened instead is that he didn’t get started until 25 and played as the 3rd scorer and 6th man during Chicago’s second three-peat. Kukoc never garnered any All-NBA votes, made an All-Star game, or won any major awards. He did win the 6th Man of the Year award in 95-96, but that leaves him behind many of the other players on The Overflow list in terms of accolades and accomplishments. While he was an important part to Chicago’s run, there are too many players who made a bigger impact in the league for him to show up on the honorable mention list.
Arvydis is/was on a different level. I suspect that had he played in the NBA when he first turned pro that he would not only be worthy of honorable mention, but a strong candidate for the top-100. Unfortunately, he played overseas until he was 31 years old so we never got to see how his game looked against the best competition while he was healthy. Additionally, I only factor in NBA (and Olympic/World Championship) performance when rating players since no other league has anywhere near the same level of competition so I don’t factor in what he did in the Lithuanian and Spanish leagues. With only 314 games as an NBA starter and all coming in his 30s, the resume just isn’t there.
FYI–The Overflow (Honorable Mention) started out at just 50 names. It’ll grow as players leave the top-100 and new good-but-not-great careers come to an end, but the competition is pretty cutthroat with such a small honorable mention list.
Thanks again for throwing these names out there!
Kemba Walker recently retried. Four time all-star, 19 points, 4 rebounds (rounding up), and 5 assists a game, and the greatest hornets player of all time. Where does he fall?
Kemba Walker’s career is definitely worthy of being included in The Overflow. He’ll be on their sooner than later for sure.
Shawn Marion?
Hey Nic,
Shawn Marion is/was on the shortlist of players just outside of The Overflow. My goal is to keep The Overflow from turning into a list of 200 good players, so I’ve been pretty stingy with it. However, I went ahead and released 13 new players onto it, including Marion.
Gilbert Arenas
Rajon Rondo
Shawn Marion
Marcus Camby
Serge Ibaka
Rasheed Wallace
Anfernee Hardaway
Ricky Pierce
Buck Williams
DeAndre Jordan
Tyson Chandler
Lou Williams
Kemba Walker